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john mccain has been on this issue before. it's not surprising but the real fresh face here is marco rubio. he seems to have spent a lot of time going to conservative talk radio to soften the ground. how important is this to him and how important is he to the whole issue? >> marco rubio is a really interesting player, in part because of his own story. he is the son of legal immigrants. >> from cuban to florida. >> right. he is an icon among conservatives who do see him as the future and he has a way of talking about this issue where he had rush limbaugh essentially eating out of his hand so i think that a lot of republicans do look to marco rubio has -- as sort of finding the path but statement you have the 12345r9 from louisiana saying -- senator from louisiana saying marco rubio is just naive. gwen: what about the president's role? they beat him to the punch in the announcement. he went to las vegas the next day and say me too and we hope they mean it. is he waiting for congress to take the lead? >> for now. this has been a
john mccain has been on this issue before. it's not surprising but the real fresh face here is marco rubio. he seems to have spent a lot of time going to conservative talk radio to soften the ground. how important is this to him and how important is he to the whole issue? >> marco rubio is a really interesting player, in part because of his own story. he is the son of legal immigrants. >> from cuban to florida. >> right. he is an icon among conservatives who do see him as the...
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is senator john mccain grilling hagel about hagel's opposition to the surge in iraq in 2007. >> were you correct in your judgment. >> i would defer that to history. >> when you were right or wrong about the surge. >> i'll explain why i played those comments. >> i want to know if you were right or wrong. that is a direct question. i expect a direct answer. >> senator hagel explained he opposed the surge in iraq because it cost nearly 1200 american lives. >> i saw the consequences and the suffering and the horror of war. so i did question a surge. i always ask the question, is this going to be worth the sacrifice? because there will be sacrifice. >> that was hagel's emphasis on the cost factor. my question is this. his emphasis on the cost factor in military decisions, does it serve as a dodge to senator mccain's bullet? or did he mean this completely from the heart? and if he did, isn't he exactly the man we want over at the department of defense? >> he was talking about the cost of lives. >> that's correct. >> and i think in that exchange that you showed, john mccain indicated how pe
is senator john mccain grilling hagel about hagel's opposition to the surge in iraq in 2007. >> were you correct in your judgment. >> i would defer that to history. >> when you were right or wrong about the surge. >> i'll explain why i played those comments. >> i want to know if you were right or wrong. that is a direct question. i expect a direct answer. >> senator hagel explained he opposed the surge in iraq because it cost nearly 1200 american lives....
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john mccain was blunt about it. his own state is going blue in a hurry, unless republicans make a dramatic difference. in 1960, the country was 3.5% hispanic. in 2011, it was 17%. in 2050, it will be 29%. whites will have gone from 85% of the national population, down to 40% in the 90-year span. >> interesting numbers. >> yes, but we will be kind. [laughter] >> say that in spanish. [laughter] >> my brothers and i will be kind. look, the reality is, we are not going to send 11 million people backed where they came. we are going to keep them here, as it should be. the problem is going to come in from those who feel there is not enough enforcement on the books. these individuals will probably pick up the arguments that is advanced by our colleague charles, to have a fence from coast-to-coast. that is not the major issue here. >> san diego put up a triple- strand fence that had decreased apprehension by 92%. fences work. we ought to at least try it. the fact that nobody wants to is an indication of and seriousness about
john mccain was blunt about it. his own state is going blue in a hurry, unless republicans make a dramatic difference. in 1960, the country was 3.5% hispanic. in 2011, it was 17%. in 2050, it will be 29%. whites will have gone from 85% of the national population, down to 40% in the 90-year span. >> interesting numbers. >> yes, but we will be kind. [laughter] >> say that in spanish. [laughter] >> my brothers and i will be kind. look, the reality is, we are not going to...
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why is john mccain so angry? 40 years after the vietnam p.o.w.s came home, the most famous of them is angrier than ever. why is america, why are we fighting the vietnam war all over again in the united states senate? the ticked off vitriol against chuck hagel, what is it about? is it for show? is it about something hagel said in the cloakroom? is it the unfairness of vietnam itself, that some went and some didn't? is it about johnson's inability to win that war or end it? what burns so deeply in john mccain these days? it seems to excite those who knew nothing about vietnam but want to replay it. we dig into the deep well of resentment burning in john mccain's patriotic heart. a resentment not against the north vietnamese who imprisoned and tortured him all those years, not against george w. bush and his political henchmen who tried to stain mccain's reputation back in 2000, but against a guy who fought against fear and rallied against wounds just like he did in the same army of america's long nightmare in vietna
why is john mccain so angry? 40 years after the vietnam p.o.w.s came home, the most famous of them is angrier than ever. why is america, why are we fighting the vietnam war all over again in the united states senate? the ticked off vitriol against chuck hagel, what is it about? is it for show? is it about something hagel said in the cloakroom? is it the unfairness of vietnam itself, that some went and some didn't? is it about johnson's inability to win that war or end it? what burns so deeply...
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why is john mccain so gri? why america? why are we fighting the vietnam war all over again in the united states senate. the have it tree troll against chuck hagel. is it about lyndon johnson's inability to win that war or end it? what is it that burns so deeply in john mccain today? for some reason he wants to play it again and again in iraq and afterno afghanistan and again in iran. we look at the resentment burning in john mccain's heart. it's not against george w. bush and his political henchmen who tried to stay mccain's reputation in 2000 but a guy who fear and rallied against wounds just like he did. chuck hagel, a nightmare, by the way, whose flashbacks must haunt still the heart still of john sydney mccain. both are msnbc analysts. both of you, sir, and lady, are younger than me, but i must tell you i'm absolutely convinced we're watching a flashback. watch this. he did a long angry windup before he launched into his first so-called question which was really an indictment. it included putdowns as well as references
why is john mccain so gri? why america? why are we fighting the vietnam war all over again in the united states senate. the have it tree troll against chuck hagel. is it about lyndon johnson's inability to win that war or end it? what is it that burns so deeply in john mccain today? for some reason he wants to play it again and again in iraq and afterno afghanistan and again in iran. we look at the resentment burning in john mccain's heart. it's not against george w. bush and his political...
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in a way john mccain made the surge into the war as john mccain would have fought it as commander in chief and anyone who questions it gets the wrath of mccain. i watched that part of the hearing with colonel jack jacobs and patrick murphy, the former pennsylvania congressman who served in iraq. both of them were at the bottom of the pile as he called it. you just view war differently. but the lesson that these two men took from vietnam are so different. hagel took the questioning, the same as patrick murphy did, fielded lied to. >> here's lindsey graham. badgering hagel. badgering is the word for it. whether the iranian revolutionary guard should be termed a terroristic organization. i think this is aimed directly at south carolina's right wing. let's listen. >> if there was a vote on the floor of the senate this afternoon to label the iranian revolutionary guard, the people who have killed our soldiers in iraq, some of the most vicious people to the people of iran themselves, if there were a vote tomorrow or this afternoon, would you still vote no? >> i would want to know from the
in a way john mccain made the surge into the war as john mccain would have fought it as commander in chief and anyone who questions it gets the wrath of mccain. i watched that part of the hearing with colonel jack jacobs and patrick murphy, the former pennsylvania congressman who served in iraq. both of them were at the bottom of the pile as he called it. you just view war differently. but the lesson that these two men took from vietnam are so different. hagel took the questioning, the same as...
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the kennedy-john mccain comprehensive bill included both security and a path to citizenship. it was written that none of the provisions could be enacted until five areas were achieved. here is what is really interesting, although the bill died we actually made a lot of progress on those provisions anyway. the border security provision largely got it done, even as the path to citizenship got largely left behind. northbound one, operation control the border between u.s. and mexico, that was never really defined. one definition said the whole border had to be under government surveillance. that is true, it is 100% monitored. another definition says we need to be able to quickly respond to any activity, any activity on the border. we're up 57%, up from 1 first in 2007. but experts believe it is just unbelievably impossible. provision number two, staff enhancements for border patrol to 20,000 full-time agents, check, there are currently 24,000. number three, strong barriers which include at least 7,000 physical barriers, plus 105 radar and camera towers and at least four unmanned
the kennedy-john mccain comprehensive bill included both security and a path to citizenship. it was written that none of the provisions could be enacted until five areas were achieved. here is what is really interesting, although the bill died we actually made a lot of progress on those provisions anyway. the border security provision largely got it done, even as the path to citizenship got largely left behind. northbound one, operation control the border between u.s. and mexico, that was never...
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the fact that he didn't -- couldn't answer john mccain's very simple question? he seemed confused. out of his depth. he didn't seem to know, i don't think, have a level of understanding or sophistication about american policy that one would expect. and that is aside from his position. >> laura, 12 years in the u.s. senate on foreign relations, he is a smart man. and he wouldn't be. >> laura: he just had a bad day. >> this isn't dantsing with the stars. he wants to be secretary of defense. the troops will love him based on the fact that he is actually serves some veterans who are committing suicide. imagine chuck hagel. can he relate to them and try to do something about it. we understand who understands the troops. >> he is he not being confirmed to be secretary of veterans affairs. i think that would actually be probably a position he would be very well suited to. but, this is a man who his statement that he voted for the war in iraq, then he said the surge would be the biggest foreign policy blunder our military, our country had ever seen. that obviously was not the case. all he
the fact that he didn't -- couldn't answer john mccain's very simple question? he seemed confused. out of his depth. he didn't seem to know, i don't think, have a level of understanding or sophistication about american policy that one would expect. and that is aside from his position. >> laura, 12 years in the u.s. senate on foreign relations, he is a smart man. and he wouldn't be. >> laura: he just had a bad day. >> this isn't dantsing with the stars. he wants to be secretary...
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police people who were tough on him, like john mccain and lindsey graham were clearly not in his camp to begin with. but you have to see whether somebody takes that next step and puts a hold on the nomination. you know, it is one thing to oppose him. it is another thing to put a hold on the nomination and ask for a filibuster, because then you're declaring war on the president. >> then you need 60, in order to confirm him, there are 55 democrats, so you need five republicans. >> and there were filibuster threats, but i don't think there is a full-scale filibuster to block a cabinet nominee. no question, as gloria said, the republicans, somebody who is in the tribe and moves out is often treated more harshly than somebody who hadn't been there. taking it to the next step -- >> even if he is confirmed, how does that impact as a sitting defense secretary? >> well, this is usually one of the less partisan positions. we saw it from bill clinton to barack obama, who have often reached out to put somebody in from the other party. which of course is what barack obama is doing. as i said, peop
police people who were tough on him, like john mccain and lindsey graham were clearly not in his camp to begin with. but you have to see whether somebody takes that next step and puts a hold on the nomination. you know, it is one thing to oppose him. it is another thing to put a hold on the nomination and ask for a filibuster, because then you're declaring war on the president. >> then you need 60, in order to confirm him, there are 55 democrats, so you need five republicans. >> and...
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look at this heated exchange between hagel and john mccain. >> will you answer the question. will you correct or inkofshth when you said the surge would be the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since svietnam. were you correct or incorrect? yes or no. >> my service di-- >> are you going to answer the question? the question is were you right or wrong? i would like to answer whether you were right or wrong and then you are free to elaborate. >> well, i am not going to give you a yes or no answer. >> let the record show he refused to answer the question. >> he is the former chair of al gore's president committee in michigan. campaign consultant and national political correspondent for talk radio news service. thank you for joining us. >> ill prepared or overly aggressive questioning? >> overly aggressive questioning by a senator offending more and more people. an example of what is wrong in this country. kinds of personal attacks we are doing on people in both parties at times when we get to do public service. senator hagel came to the hearing will be a good
look at this heated exchange between hagel and john mccain. >> will you answer the question. will you correct or inkofshth when you said the surge would be the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since svietnam. were you correct or incorrect? yes or no. >> my service di-- >> are you going to answer the question? the question is were you right or wrong? i would like to answer whether you were right or wrong and then you are free to elaborate. >> well, i...
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and -- >> are you saying that is an incentive. >> john mccain has been candid about it. he said my own state, the demographics of my own state are changing. it will be-- arizona will be a democratic state. general bush has predicted that by 2030 texas will be a blue state unless the republicans act on this. he's one of the few people who has sounded this alarm in his party. >> the republicans are actually pretty smart about this. they say immigration is a threshold issue. it is not enough to get the latino vote but you have to get over thatness. >> it's not the silver bullet. if mitt romney got the percentage ronald reagan did of hispanics we have depeted barack obama. >> speaking of thresholds, the super bowl sunday night i'm going to put you both on the spot. call the score who is going to win. >> the score will be-- 2-0, that is baseball, john harbaugh, the baltimore ravens coach, the kid who wasn't the starting quarterback, wasn't the golden boy, baltimore, san francisco is beautiful, a wonderful city, tony bennett sings a great song. herb canee called it baghdad on
and -- >> are you saying that is an incentive. >> john mccain has been candid about it. he said my own state, the demographics of my own state are changing. it will be-- arizona will be a democratic state. general bush has predicted that by 2030 texas will be a blue state unless the republicans act on this. he's one of the few people who has sounded this alarm in his party. >> the republicans are actually pretty smart about this. they say immigration is a threshold issue. it...
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during hagel's confirmation hearing, one of the most heated exchanges came from senator john mccain. >> will you please answer the question? willwere you correct or incorrect when you said that the surge would be the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since vietnam? were you correct or incorrect? yes or no? >> my reference to -- >> are you going to answer the question senator hagel? the question is were you right or wrong? that's a pretty straight forward question. >> well -- >> i would like to hear whether you're right or wrong and then you're free to elaborate. >> well, i'm not going to give you a yes or no answer. >> well, let the record show that you refused to answer that question. >> gregg: of course, john mccain was the champion of the surge. what are hagel's chances of winning confirmation? let's bring in the washington time's columnist charlie hurt. it's the good old boys club in the u.s. senate. he's going to get confirmed, right? >> yeah. i think that that hearing will go down as one of the worst in television history. i mean, he was unprepared. he didn'
during hagel's confirmation hearing, one of the most heated exchanges came from senator john mccain. >> will you please answer the question? willwere you correct or incorrect when you said that the surge would be the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since vietnam? were you correct or incorrect? yes or no? >> my reference to -- >> are you going to answer the question senator hagel? the question is were you right or wrong? that's a pretty straight forward...
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john mccain is stuck in some time warp. he's just angry, upset, and just hostility that comes across from him is just unreal these days. hagel did not understand the type of onslaught he was going to get. he did look unprepared. but it's just curious that you have a president who's trying to be bipartisan and a republican party that's going so forecefully after him. i mean, it's just strange what's going on within the republican leadership at this moment. >> let's move on to this picture that was tweeted out by jay carney showing the president last august at camp david. he had said in an interview that he enjoys skeat shooting. there's the proof of it. but felicia, why of it. why tweet it now? >> as my colleague mentioned, we didn't get a sense from the white house that this was coming. when he tweeted that, a lot of people were taken back by it. the senior white house adviser tweeting it, it seems like it took the white house a couple of days to get its act together and they were really unprepared for the firestorm to sort
john mccain is stuck in some time warp. he's just angry, upset, and just hostility that comes across from him is just unreal these days. hagel did not understand the type of onslaught he was going to get. he did look unprepared. but it's just curious that you have a president who's trying to be bipartisan and a republican party that's going so forecefully after him. i mean, it's just strange what's going on within the republican leadership at this moment. >> let's move on to this picture...
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john mccain was the author of the surge of troops to iraq at the end of the administration, pushed it hard, took a lot of heat, including from the right. he takes it personal when chuck hagel calls it the bigst debacle since vietnam. and senator hagel dodging the question on whether he agreed with the same statement. hag mccain was getting testy and hagel was dodging. it was one of the key military decisions in the past ten years, and if senator hagel is the top military adviser to the president, they want to explore his thinking on that. and politics, trying to portray senator hagel as anti israel plays well to some interest groups, and that's much more politics. >> to pull from a football term given the weekend, it seems like he was fumbling around. was he not as well prepared as he ought to have been? >> no doubt, senators walked out of the hearing shaking their head, from both sides, democrats and republicans were very surprised how poorly prepared senator hagel appeared to be. for expected -- like senator mccain's questions about the surge. that's just a fundamental question you
john mccain was the author of the surge of troops to iraq at the end of the administration, pushed it hard, took a lot of heat, including from the right. he takes it personal when chuck hagel calls it the bigst debacle since vietnam. and senator hagel dodging the question on whether he agreed with the same statement. hag mccain was getting testy and hagel was dodging. it was one of the key military decisions in the past ten years, and if senator hagel is the top military adviser to the...
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. >> in our final topic tonight, have any of you figured out just how close john mccain and chuck hagel actually are? i mean, are they really good buddies, eugene robinson? >> it's a bromance, a bromance for the ages. >> okay, is that what that is? i tell you what? who needs enemies with friends like that? i think, michael tomasky, i think that chuck hagel was just taken by it all. >> yeah, well, he was something. you know, i hope he is better prepared for the issues he is going to face as secretary of defense than he was for those questions. >> i think stunned would be the right word. eugene robinson, michelle goldberg, michael tomasky, thanks for being with us tonight. thanks for joining us on "the ed show." >>> coming up, be sure to enjoy your beer this super bowl sunday, because next year it could cost a little bit more. actually, a whole lot more. but not if president obama and the justice department have anything to do with it. stay tuned. we're right back. >>> hillary clinton officially stepped down today as secretary of state. but many of you on our facebook and twitter believe
. >> in our final topic tonight, have any of you figured out just how close john mccain and chuck hagel actually are? i mean, are they really good buddies, eugene robinson? >> it's a bromance, a bromance for the ages. >> okay, is that what that is? i tell you what? who needs enemies with friends like that? i think, michael tomasky, i think that chuck hagel was just taken by it all. >> yeah, well, he was something. you know, i hope he is better prepared for the issues he...
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a lot of fireworks between hagel and john mccain. take a look. >> we are correct or incorrect. yes or no? >> my reference to the refer -- >> the question is were you right or wrong. that's a pretty straight forward question. i would like to answer and then you are free to elaborate. >> i am not going to give you a yes or no answer. >> joe, first of all, let me ask you this. the white house didn't jump to his defense after that stuff. why not? >> who didn't? >> the white house. the white house didn't jump to his defense. >> the white house has a sense that he has a good chance to be confirmed and everybody know that is the hearings will be contentious. no doubt there will be a lot of consengz and a lot of bad blood between this senator and colleagues and many who question his stance with regard to iran and how strong he would be and also with regard to israel. expect contention. that doesn't mean he won't be confirmed. i don't think the white house will jump to his defense. >> again, white house didn't jump to his defense. one republican opponent took to politico to point out hi
a lot of fireworks between hagel and john mccain. take a look. >> we are correct or incorrect. yes or no? >> my reference to the refer -- >> the question is were you right or wrong. that's a pretty straight forward question. i would like to answer and then you are free to elaborate. >> i am not going to give you a yes or no answer. >> joe, first of all, let me ask you this. the white house didn't jump to his defense after that stuff. why not? >> who didn't?...
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mitt romney barely won as many votes as john mccain did in 2008. if you compare preelection estimates to exit polls, what you find is 5 percentage points of independents didn't show up. so the party that actually figures out how to represent these independents, and my hunch is many of them are these social liberal voters is going to be ahead in the demographic race. that's why you saw smart democrats actually run functionally libertarian campaigns. notice democrats who won, they ran on fiscal issues and distanced themselves from the president. they stole the rhetoric of fiscal conservatives. this is also why you found republican candidates who won, they ran on fiscal issues but they didn't emphasize abortion. over time, i believe the party that embraces this libertarian center of the public will come ahead in the demographic battle. the second point i'd like to make is about the tea party. some people think the tea party lost the election particularly in the senate. and the argument goes something like that this n. 2010 there was kristine o'donnell
mitt romney barely won as many votes as john mccain did in 2008. if you compare preelection estimates to exit polls, what you find is 5 percentage points of independents didn't show up. so the party that actually figures out how to represent these independents, and my hunch is many of them are these social liberal voters is going to be ahead in the demographic race. that's why you saw smart democrats actually run functionally libertarian campaigns. notice democrats who won, they ran on fiscal...
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when john mccain pressed him on the issue of whether or not, you know, he repudiated the staples about the surge. stumbled. he stammered he couldn't get himself. >> what's wrong with saying yes, i was against the surge? that wouldn't preclude. >> honesty is refreshing. if he said i was against the surge and you know what? i was wrong. the surge ended up, wog. i didn't think it would. i wasn't sure that it should it worked but you know what? i made a mistake on that. >> then they could have moved on. >> now they have camped out and built a fire and they have toasted marshmallows over this guy. >> governor huckabee's show 8:00 p.m. tonight on the fox news channel. who do you have coming up? >> general jack cain will be with us. four star general to talk about what's happening in the military. a couple of congressman to talk about will republicans go with the immigration policy? of course there is much more that i don't even have time to tell you. >> i enjoy the much more though. >> the machine more -- much more is the best. she is going to mary tyler moore much more. >> you may not be ab
when john mccain pressed him on the issue of whether or not, you know, he repudiated the staples about the surge. stumbled. he stammered he couldn't get himself. >> what's wrong with saying yes, i was against the surge? that wouldn't preclude. >> honesty is refreshing. if he said i was against the surge and you know what? i was wrong. the surge ended up, wog. i didn't think it would. i wasn't sure that it should it worked but you know what? i made a mistake on that. >> then...